Thursday, July 13, 2006

blog #2 T vs. S

In my opinion, I found that Socrates was more convincing than Thrasymachus. According to Aristotle's rhetorical reasoning, Socrates's ethos outshined Thrasymachus. Thrasymachus's arrogant ethos proved to show that he isn't so"right" after all. He got stumped by the wise Socrates in their discussion of the definition of justice and injustice. True that Thrasymachus logos seemed very convincing, but somehow Socrates still caught him contradicting himself. Thrasymachus's cocky-ness and know-it-all ethos didn't persuade me into thinking that he knew what justice was. His anger of being burned by Socrates, set the pathos as non convincing. Socrates on the other hand, handled the put downs of Thrasymachus very well by being calm and respectful. This showed real character of his ethos. Socrates on the other hand seemed to be a cause of Thrasymachus's anger by pushing his buttons in asking his questions. I can see why Socrates was doing that because he wants to get the right definition of justice from Thrasymachus, since he said that he knew the answer. Sometimes the character of Socrates can set off a certain emotion towards the person he is talking to because he is dugging deep in finding the true meaning of justice that he is asking these questions so that those who think they know the answer should really believe what they are saying. Socrates is kind of like testing you and wanting to see if you would change your mind on something you truly believe or not. In this case, Socrates also made Thrasymachus contradict himself.


Blogger karebear1206 said...

I agree with your post. My thoughts on Socrates' clever and courteous ethos, while the ethos of Thrasymachus was irritated and cocky, corresponded to yours. Although Socrates does remain respectful, there were times when he was subtley teasing Thrasymachus. For example on the bottom of p.15, after Thras insults Soc, Soc says, "Enough...of these civilties." And I also agree with you about how Socrates made Thrasymachus eat his own words.

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Blogger phantomdance said...

I agree with both of you guys. Socrates dominated this little conversation he had with Thrasymachus in more ways than one. He not only was able to express his opinions in an orderly and civil, calm manner, but was able to drive his point across clearly at the same time as subtly mocking Thrasymachus. It was ingenious, a sort of kill two birds with one stone type of delivery.

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